From an animal perspective, is AP hedonistic sustainability?

JakartaGreen

It does upset me when i see trophy hunters boasting catching huge sharks, cod or anything really massive

Just makes me think
Fuuuuu
Don't these people realize what it means?

Fgs keep the small fish and let the big ones go
That's what nature does and it creates abundance

We take the biggest most fertile specimens and leave immature runts to breed (?)
It's madness
And we've killed the oceans

Bofff theory
http://www.ffc.org.au/FFC_files/Sustain ... FF_web.pdf

Keep underside and release big fish.. In essence

Ronmaggi

In one of our local lakes there is a law against catch and release with trout. It is very specific to say if you catch a trout you must keep it. It is because trout rarely survive the release, and they do not want a bunch of dead trout floating around.

tojo

That is a good approach by your local lake Ronmaggi, on the contrary close to where I live there is a small lake dedicated to the sole purpose of catching and releasing carp, which means there are some ten year-old carps that spend their lives being reeled in each weekend and being released after the traditional photo with the fisher.
It's messed up.

NORTHGA000

Ronmaggi wrote:

In one of our local lakes there is a law against catch and release with trout. It is very specific to say if you catch a trout you must keep it. It is because trout rarely survive the release, and they do not want a bunch of dead trout floating around.

tojo wrote:

That is a good approach by your local lake Ronmaggi, on the contrary close to where I live there is a small lake dedicated to the sole purpose of catching and releasing carp, which means there are some ten year-old carps that spend their lives being reeled in each weekend and being released after the traditional photo with the fisher.
It's messed up.

In no way can you compare the two.

Regardless of where the the pond or river is.

Catch and release does not work with trout.
No way no how.
If you want me to give reasons i will.

Carp on the other hand are hard to kill and catch and release works very well.

I guess people could use trouts sensativty to their enviroment and frail nature as a argument that they are not suitable for AP .

tojo

I wasn't trying to compare the two things, I'm sorry. Ronmaggi's post reminded me of this other place I wrote about, the small lake dedicated to carp catch and release only. It is a business, BTW, not a natural lake.

How is their being hard to kill make catch and release work very well? Genuine question, please expand on that. I'm curious because as I see it (and I have never fished for carp; I live on the sea and have never fished in fresh water except for trout in the mountains) it can't be really ... good :dontknow:

for the carp in question?

NORTHGA000

tojo wrote:

the small lake dedicated to carp catch and release only. It is a business, BTW, not a natural lake.

A catch and release pond for carp would probally work.
I have caught carp and catfish and put them in a bucket for 30 min before putting them back into another small pond.
I had very few floaters the next morning.

How is their being hard to kill make catch and release work very well? it can't be really ... good :dontknow:

for the carp in question?

It probally is not good for them but most will survive.

A catch and release pond for trout would not work.
Lets say you have a pay catch out pond for trout.
On a busy day people catch and keep 200 trout.
On a busy day you have 20 trout that get of the hook right at the bank.
The next morning you probably will have 16 floaters.

When you start talking about catch and release the odds for the trout get even worse.
You would have a 198 floaters + the 16 floaters from the 20 trout that got off the hook.

The best way to handle that is to tell people you do not do catch and release.
But they can catch the fish and pay for them.
And then if they do not want the fish for some reason we will clean and donate them to the church.

Ronmaggi

I personally do not see the point in fishing if you are not going to eat it. Naturally you will probibly catch some fish that you can't or won't eat. If you are out fishing, however, it should be to get some food. Trout are too fragile for catch and release. I can not imagine not wanting to eat the trout. There are some fish that are illegal to bring onto your boat. Regardless of how you feel about catch and release, you better release them. But those aren't the fish that you are trying to catch. From what I understand, marlin taste pretty bad. People still want to catch them. Usually they are caught in Mexico, and the fish gets donated to a school. That is a pretty big win for everyone. The angler gets the excitement of catching a marlin, and kids get to eat. Dorado, however, taste yummy. I believe in a fillet and release program for them.

PLJ

Haha, fillet and release - I like that!
I sometimes wonder about the viability of harvesting the claws from large mangrove crabs, but just one at a time so the crab still has a claw with which to eat and defend itself with. Seems sustainable at face value, since the crabs regrow their lost claw, as far as I know.

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