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PostPosted: Jul 16th, '10, 15:06 
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Has anyone had any success growing Samphire/ Sea Fennel in AP. I know it needs a slightly salty environment to flourish.
There is a big demand for it locally. So any suggestions?

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 Post subject: Re: Samphire/Sea fennel
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I can not see why it wouldn't especially if you run a salt tolerant fish so you can have the water on the salty side?

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This is something I considered a while back. I'm afraid it's a no go, unless you really want a true salt water system. Samphire needs a lot of salt. Not "slightly salty", more like sea water salty. More than freshwater based fish can tolerate for long periods.

On the plus side, if you were to set up a true salt water system, with the right kind of fish, the I'm guessing that Marsh Samphire would absolutely love AP. And, more to the point, it would be a huge earner given that it is very tasty, pretty good at growing, and tolerant of a lot of things.

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We have always grown samphire in ordinary compost and in pots. Comes up year after year but we sold the last one a couple of weeks back. I have about 30 seedlings doing well in compost without any added salt and am trying out six plants in a growbed with the trout water at 1 part per thousand. We shall see.


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Really? Wow. I was always told that it needed the saltiness to grow properly. In that case looks like we have a winner. Samphire is definitely a worthwhile plant to grow as it's so damn tasty.

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Would be worth a go with the trout for sure because you can up the levels of salt to almost sea water levels.

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Thanks for that Joel,
We have always been very careful about the salt levels with samphire in case we cause problems to the bacteria and to other plants.
We would appreciate any comments about the affects of salinity on the bacteria etc.

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DragonC wrote:
This is something I considered a while back. I'm afraid it's a no go, unless you really want a true salt water system. Samphire needs a lot of salt. Not "slightly salty", more like sea water salty. More than freshwater based fish can tolerate for long periods.

On the plus side, if you were to set up a true salt water system, with the right kind of fish, the I'm guessing that Marsh Samphire would absolutely love AP. And, more to the point, it would be a huge earner given that it is very tasty, pretty good at growing, and tolerant of a lot of things.



Could probably combine this with sea asparagus (pickleweed), which I believe needs plenty of salt. I don't know what other kinds of plants would thrive in a salt water environment.


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Replying to an old post... having read it a few months back. I'd just eaten some samphire in a local cafe and wanted to grow my own. It's taken a while to take off but it's going well now. The system is very lightly salted... currently less than 1 ppt - low enough that strawberries are doing OK.

Just in case someone else wants to grow it in a fresh water system.


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Hi Dave
Many thanks for mining that little gem from the archives and your current experience.
I have checked and seeds are available. This is one I really want to try
Can I ask did you grow from seed or cutting? Any other tips?

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Hi Titus

I grew from seed - couldn't find any seedlings. Started out in seed raising mix. When I guessed that the seedlings were big enough, I washed the seed raising mix off the roots and planted into netpots with clay balls. The bottom third of the pots are sitting in about 4 cm of water. In retrospect, I probably transplanted them a bit early - they really struggled for the first few weeks.

I haven't tried them in my main grow bed yet... have just planted some seeds so I can give that a go.

Do they grow from cuttings?

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Hi Dan
Thank you. I was really excited after reading your post. By chance that night on the TV was a program about Samphire. It is harvested wild here in salt marsh estuaries. However the season is very short. No more than six weeks in the summer.
Can I ask how long you were able to harvest? I note that your original post was in 6/14 ; winter in Australia.
I ordered some seeds. One thing leads to another, as God said to Moses when he handed him the four commandments!
I didn’t want to compromise my main system with added salt.It might interfere with the fruit pot. This is a major part of this years plan.
So I am in the process of adding an additional indoor system.
Keith is the indoor expert as far as I am concerned so many hours spent reading and re-reading his thread.
This also required an improvement to the main system. A new RFF filter, sump and probably new Bio filter. This will also change the layout of the watercress NFT tubes. So the Pot bellied stove on the patio had to be moved.
“One of those corner outdoor sofa’s would look good there” she said. Now that you have moved the heater.
Hmm. Could have just gone to the supermarket and bought some Samphire!
As the song says, “Hopelessly addicted to aquaponics.”

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Hi Titus

I've also often thought it would have been easier to buy my veggies at the supermarket... though not half as much fun. But that's part of the reason why I'm interested in trying a few things that aren't easy to buy.

The samphire was a late addition to my system. Can't exactly recall but I probably planted them in spring... maybe about 4 months from seedling to current stage. What you see in the photo is after a significant pruning... maybe half of the growth removed and eaten.

I don't think my weather will be very instructive to you. I live in the sub-tropics so we can grow many summer veggies early or late in our winter.

Good luck with the salty system... as I say earlier, my system is relatively low salt... strawberries doing OK. I was originally planning to spray the samphire with (or give it a bath in) some brackish water every now and then. But I haven't bothered. My understanding is that they grow perfectly well in the soil a long way from the ocean... ie they are salt tolerant but not dependent.

Will be interested to see how you go.

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Thought I should update this one... in case anyone else is keen to grow samphire. Mine went from strength to strength - no problems with productivity. But I found that, whatever I did when preparing it to eat, I couldn't get rid of a slightly turpentine or bitter carrot flavour.

When I did a bit more research, I discovered I've been growing rock samphire - crithmum maritimum. Marsh samphire is apparently much nicer to eat. Which probably explains why mine hasn't been tasting anything like the samphire I bought at the markets in Adelaide last year.

My tip is not to bother with rock samphire... can't say how marsh samphire will grow in a freshwater aquaponic system.

Apologies to anyone I might have led astray!

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Hi DD
Following our discussion I ordered seeds from, victoriananursery.co.uk
They are Marsh Samphire, Salicornia euroaea. .
Planted them a couple of weeks ago on a windowsill propagator.
Looks like something is finally happening.


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