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PostPosted: Jun 4th, '10, 09:27 
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I'm reading this thread through for the 5th time and it doesn't seem like there's a definitive answer to how to control bugs. I had an aphid problem so bad I had to stop growing pak choi for a while. It was disgusting.

Right now I have oleander aphids (the orange butholes). Anyone have any good suggestions for these? Been using organocide and maxicrop solution mix with mixed results. The aphids are still around but not as infested as before. Any sugestions?


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PostPosted: Jun 4th, '10, 09:42 
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I've had aphid infestations but to a large extent, I've always just ignored them or removed the mostly badly affected plants. See most of my aphids are being farmed by ants and without getting rid of the ants, there won't be any real getting rid of the aphids. But most of my plants that have been affected by aphids are generally not so affected that I loose the crop. I just have to be careful not to get bitten by the ants when I'm near the plants.

I don't know of any very effective way to get rid of the ants in my system. I can't really block the ants from getting into the grow beds and over flooding the grow beds has only worked very temporarily. I'm not willing to use any chemicals strong enough to kill the ants around my system and DE won't work against ants in a wet environment.

As to aphids with no ants, well I'd probably suggest spraying them off the plants with strong streams of water. Probably requires repeated spraying but at least you don't have to worry about expense or getting too much oil into the system.

What about lady bugs?

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TC, thanks, I'll try and do that. Ladybugs would be ideal but they are hard to come by in Hawaii.

As for your ant problem, have you ever tried terro? The ants have to be sweet eaters. Its pretty non-toxic, I think boric acid, and it wipes out my ants.


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I've used the liquid terro baits around the house or actually I usually find the trail of them outside the house and squirt the stuff across the trail there since it is a bait and would attract more it eat it, I would rather they stay outside the house.

I think I did once put a bait near one growbed but I don't feel comfortable putting it in the grow beds and I don't know where they are getting into the beds there are just so many of them.

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yeah I just drip terro all over the place around my GBs in places that seem like even if it rained, the terro wouldn't get into the fish water. Work's pretty well for me, usually aphid populations diminish after a week of aggressive terro applications.


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I am new to the AP scene and have had mixed success to date.

My current issue is with an infestation of miniscule white moths/flies in the pin head type size range.

Firstly, can anyone put a name t them and secondly how do I get rid of them.

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Whitefly- Sticky traps

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Deterrent against Ants? Try talcum powder. Do not use perfumed talc, but try to get the pure stuff.

Place it around support legs of the grow beds. Or better yet, near their nests. The Talc gets into the spiracles of the ants and blocks them. Very fine chalk can have the same effect. But chalk absorbs moisture from the air, unlike talc, and becomes lumpy and ineffective.

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Thanks for the prompt responce.

My next question of course is what are sticky traps????


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Hi Ken,
Sorry for the rushed response, was heading out the door from work.
Whiteflies are attracted to the colour yellow apparently and they can be trapped using the sticky trap.
They are also available in blue for thrips, and are often used in commercial greenhouse situations.

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They sell sticky traps that are simply sticky yellow cards that you hang around the place and replace them when there are too many bugs stuck to them. I've gotten them at the hardware store in the garden pest control section.
I've also heard of making them yourself by smearing something like petroleum jelly on yellow cards or pieces of plastic. These home made versions are not as effective (because the jelly isn't as sticky and it tends to dry off or simply slide off the surface) but definitely cheaper. The store bought ones are definitely sticky, I had one trap a 3" lizard before.

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Ive found green lacewing larva, will take care of all your problems. When they eat all the insects, then eat each other. The adults fly away and only eat sap and pollen.


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im getting concerned about Locusts...

last season you couldnt see the bitchum on the roads due to sqaushed ones, and every time my missus brought her car into the garage (its attached to the house like another room) we would have 2 doz of them inside lurking around.... the kids had a ball getting them....

im guessing the would be ok fish food for big fish hahaha....

has anyone had an issue with them demolishing there crops?

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Do not use Neem oil around any aquatic animals, especially Yabbies, crabs etc. it will kill them.
Pyrethrums OK on plants only, but can harm fish if washed off plants before breaking down.
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Ian wrote:
Do not use Neem oil around any aquatic animals, especially Yabbies, crabs etc. it will kill them.
Pyrethrums OK on plants only, but can harm fish if washed off plants before breaking down.
Cheers IanK


Ian, are those two statements separate or together?

I've never used neem around the AP system but it's more to do with it being oil. Neem oil I usually buy doesn't have Pyrethrums added to it.

Pyrethrums are actually pretty nasty as far as "organic" pesticides go.

Most "organic" pesticides are not really all that fish safe.

Bacillus thuringiensis Is the only one I've found to be effective and fish safe.

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