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Author:  BuiDoi [ Nov 28th, '15, 08:36 ]
Post subject:  Wood Vinegar - Usage and any warnings

So, I just got my delivery of Wood Vinegar, called PyroAg..

I was inspired by a quote in another thread..
Dasboot wrote:
The Appropriate Technology Association of Thailand recommends the following wood vinegar/water solution rates for various farm uses (ATA, p. 27-28). Note that, in some cases, no details were given regarding the specific identity of pests:
Repel nematodes –
Tomatoes, 1:500 (apply to the base of plants);
strawberries, 1:200 (apply to the base of plants); and
black pepper vines, 1:1500 (apply in place of water).

Repel insect pests –
Cabbage and Chinese cabbage, 1:1500 (apply in place of water);
corn 1:300 (spray onto leaves).

Control of fungal diseases –
Tomato and cucumber, 1:200 (spray ontoo leaves).

Control of root rot –
Tomato and cucumber, 1:200 (apply tto the base of plants).

Reduce incidence of chili pepper flowers aborting – 1:300 (spray onto leaves).
Improve flavor of sweet fruits and stimulate development of crops. Mix solution rates of 1:500 to 1:1000. Wood vinegar prevents excessive nitrogen levels, improves plant metabolism and contributes to higher fruit sugar levels. Stimulate compost production. A solution rate of 1:100 will help increase the biological activity of various beneficial microbes and can decrease composting times.

Combat bad odor. A wood vinegar solution of 1:50 will diminish the production of odor-causing ammonia in animal pens.
Supplement for livestock feed. Mixed with livestock feed at rates of between 1:200 and 1:300, wood vinegar can adjust bacterial levels in the animal digestive tract which improve the absorption of nutrients from feed.
Enrich garden soil. Use a strong solution of 1:30 to apply to the garden soil surface at a rate of 6 liters of solution per 1m. to enrich the soil prior to planting crops.
To control soil-based plant pathogens, use an even stronger rate of 1:5 to 1:10. Repel houseflies. Dilute wood vinegar at a rate of 1:100 and apply to affected areas. I use 1-200 for bug control,1-500 in my Foliar mixes.


and so, inspired by the thought of having another AP / HP tool to work with, I thought it could be good to have a specific thread on the topic.. :thumbright:

So, if you have experience, recommendations, or warnings, it would be good to share within this thread.. :dontknow:

Peter

and I would love to get a link to this above quote, assuming it's in english, as the ATA site I found, did not have the ENGLISH button working.. :support:
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Author:  joblow [ Nov 28th, '15, 17:48 ]
Post subject:  Re: Wood Vinegar - Usage and any warnings

It's a different brand to what I've been using, mine is just branded "Wood Vinegar Australia" their "claimed uses" is worth a read and BuiDoi it will be interesting to see if there is any difference between the 2 brands. :think:
http://www.woodvinegar.com.au/claimed-uses/

Here's an article and contact details on Wood Vinegar from the Rajamangala University of Technology Lanna, Phitsanuloke, Thailand.

http://www.ajofai.info/Abstract/Wood%20 ... ection.pdf


More Wood Vinegar information:


A quote about wood vinegar -

The concentrated liquid of wood vinegar with strong acidity can kill microorganisms, plants and some larvae, but the diluted form stimulates rooting, plant growth and microbial propagation. There are many reports of the application in field practice and generally the effects have been well known by users, but there are a few available scientific reports on the mechanisms associated with the chemical properties.

http://www.oeaw.ac.at/forebiom/WS1lectu ... anasan.pdf

http://joshkearns.blogspot.com.au/2006/ ... negar.html

http://www.byronbiochar.com.au/index.ph ... riculture/

http://www.pyroligneousacid.com.au/wp-c ... ection.pdf

http://www.apip-apec.com/ja/policies/up ... ACHM~1.PDF

http://test.benthamopen.com/contents/pd ... -4-111.pdf

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Author:  BuiDoi [ Nov 30th, '15, 14:49 ]
Post subject:  Claimed Uses

..
The 5Ltr bottle that I got was from another mob.. Northside Industries P/L at Cromer - Sydney
$45 delivered... So much for the commercials..

At the risk of making a big quote... and to save the need for readers to open the "Wood-Vinegar" info..

Quote:
list of wood vinegar uses we found on the internet:

Plants

1. 50% reduction of fertilisers and pesticides with the use of 1:500 WV water mix.
2. Enhances roots
3. 200:1 for 24hrs soak seeds improves genrmination
4. Ester darkens leaves to increase photosynthesis
5. Regulates nutrients and microbiological population in soil
6. Better uptake of roots
7. Better tasting and higher sugar contents in fruits
8. Increases resistance to disease
9. Pesticide and anti fungus
10. Speeds up Composting

At 500 times dilution, wood vinegar can reduce the cluster value of water to 1/3. This means that the water is activated and can be easily absorbed by the plants because water with a low cluster value is in a very small mass. Each of these masses will hold one or few mineral elements. These elements can be easily taken into the plants.

The concentration of agro-chemicals or liquid fertilizers can be reduced by 50% if it is diluted in a 500 times dilution solution of wood vinegar due to its higher permeation. This will greatly reduce the use of agro-chemicals. However, it should not be used with alkaline chemicals.

Uses and Application of Wood Vinegar


1) Enriching the soil. Dilute wood vinegar with water ( 1:200 ration-1 part wood vinegar and 200 part water) and sprinkle it to the soil before planting. Application is one liter solution for every square meter of planting area.

2) Applying to compost. Dilute one part wood vinegar with 50 parts water and sprinkle to composting materials. Application rate is 50 liters solution to one compost.

3) Fertilization. Dilute one part wood vinegar with 200 parts water and spray it to leaves once a month. Dilution ratio can be change to 300 parts water for the succeeding applications.

4) Seed germination. Dilute one part wood vinegar with 200 parts water then soak the seeds for 24 hours.

5) Pest repellent or deodorizer. Dilute one part vinegar with 20 parts water and spray it it the plant or to the substrate in case of odor removal.

The Appropriate Technology Association of Thailand recommends the following wood vinegar/water solution rates for various farm uses (ATA, p. 27-28). Note that, in some cases, no details were given regarding the specific identity of pests:
Repel nematodes – Tomatoes, 1:500 (apply to the base of plants); strawberries, 1:200 (apply to the base of plants); and black pepper vines, 1:1500 (apply in place of water).
Repel insect pests – Cabbage and Chinese cabbage, 1:1500 (apply in place of water); corn 1:300 (spray onto leaves).
Control of fungal diseases – Tomato and cucumber, 1:200 (spray onto leaves).
Control of root rot – Tomato and cucumber, 1:200 (apply to the base of plants).
Reduce incidence of chili pepper flowers aborting – 1:300 (spray onto leaves).
Improve flavor of sweet fruits and stimulate development of crops. Mix solution rates of 1:500 to 1:1000. Wood vinegar prevents excessive nitrogen levels, improves plant metabolism and contributes to higher fruit sugar levels.
Stimulate compost production. A solution rate of 1:100 will help increase the biological activity of various beneficial microbes and can decrease composting times.
Combat bad odor. A wood vinegar solution of 1:50 will diminish the production of odor-causing ammonia in animal pens.
Supplement for livestock feed. Mixed with livestock feed at rates of between 1:200 and 1:300, wood vinegar can adjust bacterial levels in the animal digestive tract which improve the absorption of nutrients from feed.
Enrich garden soil. Use a strong solution of 1:30 to apply to the garden soil surface at a rate of 6 liters of solution per 1m. to enrich the soil prior to planting crops. To control soil-based plant pathogens, use an even stronger rate of 1:5 to 1:10.
Repel houseflies. Dilute wood vinegar at a rate of 1:100 and apply to affected areas.

Wood Vinegar
Wood Vinegar is a natural extract from woods. It is used in agriculture and animal fodders. It is a good choice for organic farming. The natural contents make it an attractive alternative to chemical pesticides and fertilizers. Furthermore it is non-toxic and biodegradable.

Benefits on crops
Stimulates vegetable growth
Strengthens roots and leaves
Enriches soil fertility
Reduce odor
Works as flavour enhancer for agricultural end products
Inhibits virus and soil disease when mixed in high concentration
Increases the quantity of useful microbes
Repels insects on plants
Prevents diseases caused by bacteria
Improves fruit quality and increases sugar content in fruit
Nourishes seeds for germination
Nourishes seeds for germination
Facilitates composting

Advantage:
Increase crop resistance to adverse condition
Repel pests ,Prevent plant infection from fungal, bacterial and virus-like disease
Improve flavour, color, firmness and preservation of fruit
Strengthen the photosynthesis; Increase the content of chlorophyll of the plants
Improve absorption through the roots

Application:
Soil Application: 6-10 L / Ha / time, 2-3 times during seedling stage and growth stage.
Foliar Application: 3-5L / Ha / time, 2-3 times during seedling stage and growth stage.

It can be mixed with most acidic fertilizers and pesticides. Nevertheless make a miscibility test before first application.

Animals

Studies showed that when charcoal and wood vinegar were used as feed supplements in poultry, salmonella bacteria, which are responsible for gastrointestinal diseases of chickens, were eliminated.
In chicken egg production, farmers claimed that their hens improved their egg-laying performance, had better rearing characteristics, and improved their hatching efficiency. It also improved the quality of eggs such as better taste, reduced cholesterol content, and had harder egg shells.

Studies on swine production showed that sows improved their performance. They became healthier, their fertility rate improved, and piglet size became uniform. The fatteners also improved their feeding efficiency and meat quality. The foul odor from the manure of the pigs was also reduced. Furthermore, reports from farmers indicated that their sows increased their milk production and diarrhea among piglets were prevented or cured.

In cattle, it is said that wood vinegar also improved meat quality, fertility rate, milk production, and feed efficiency.

Benefits on Livestock
Wood Vinegar is an all-natural livestock deodorant derived from plant extracts. The skin friendly plant chemicals bind themselves to odor-causing agents on the animal’s body and wastes, effectively breaking down, absorbing and transforming them into a natural acidic state – and destroying and suppressing bacteria, viruses and other odor causing pathogens. The result is non-stimulating Deodorization that is non-toxic and leaves no residue, creating a good-bacteria forming environment that is healthy and fresh for your livestock.

Application

Wood Vinegar is suitable for poultry, and other livestock like pigs, cattle etc. It effectively controls the production of odor causing bacteria on the animal and the farm resulting in healthier livestock and increasing yield.

Human Uses:
10 Internal Benefits of Wood Vinegar
Reducing Acid Reflux, Heartburn, and Indigestion
Wood Vinegar can help to reduce Acid Reflux, Heartburn and Indigestion, all of which are commonly experienced by millions of Americans every year.
Removing Foul Odors
Foul Odors can be produced by many things, even some parts of your body. Body casts, gas, body odor and so on can pose social problems and embarrass and perhaps even nauseate you. But Wood Vinegar helps to neutralize foul odors.
Stopping Bowel Diseases
Wood Vinegar is thought to aid in the body with Colitis, Crohn’s Disease, and Irritable Bowel Syndrome.
Slowing Colic
Colic is a general disorder that affects mostly babies. Wood Vinegar is thought to help although please consult your doctor before administering Wood Vinegar to your child.
Supporting Liver Disease
Surprisingly, Wood Vinegar is even thought to aid Liver Diseases like Hepatitis and Neonatal Jaundice and Liver Cancer.
Blocking Diarrhea
Less dramatic, but nonetheless, Wood Vinegar can aid in blocking diarrhea.
Preventing Vomiting
Vomiting can be very unpleasant, but Wood Vinegar can help here as well.
Reducing Peptic Ulcers
Wood Vinegar can help relieve Peptic Ulcers as well.
Eliminating Dental Infections
At some point in your life, you will have to struggle with a mouth infection of some sort of another. Wood Vinegar aids your health here as well.
Lowering Cholesterol
And last but not least, Wood Vinegar can promote a healthy heart by lowering cholesterol.
Please note that these health benefits can be achieved through the use of many charcoal products, not just wood vinegar. The key ingredient is wood charcoal produced by the slow baking power of an earthen kiln.

You may be thinking that many of these benefits are too good to be true, but remember, we haven’t listed all the benefits of wood vinegar yet! These are only internal benefits. Wood Vinegar can also help the outside of your body.

11 External Benefits of Wood Vinegar
Wood Vinegar can aid the body² with the following:

Insect Bites
Wood Vinegar is thought to have great venom-removal power. The application of Wood Vinegar to insect bits can help to draw those toxins out of your body.
Pink Eye
Pink Eye is a dreadful eye infection that many of us have as children. The application of Wood Vinegar to the infected parts of the surrounding tissue of the eye can help to bring down swelling.
Poison Ivy
In general, Wood Vinegar can be of great help to soothing a large number of plant poisonings such as Poison Ivy.
Infected Wounds
Again, Wood Vinegar can help with various infections, so infected wounds can be reduced by its power.
Cellulitis
An acute inflammation of the connective tissue of the skin, caused by infection with staphylococcus, streptococcus, or other bacteria. Since Cellutis too is a bacterial infection, Wood Vinegar can help relieve symptoms.
Diabetic Ulcers
Diabetics, especially the elderly, sometimes develop circulatory problems in their arms and legs. Because of this, they get ulcers, usually on their legs and feet. From time to time, these ulcers get infected. Wood Vinegar can help here as well.
Ear Infections
Ear infections are another common type of bacteria-related affliction. Wood Vinegar can aid in the healing process.
Snake Bites
One great thing about having Wood Vinegar in our Detox Foot Pads is that with Wood Vinegar, these foot pads can draw out all sorts of venom. This includes venom from snake bites. While snake bites are rare, Wood Vinegar, combined with other aids, can help.³
Gout
For those of you who don’t know, Gout is type of arthritis. It can cause sudden attacks of great pain and can bring about joint tenderness, redness, and swelling. Usually it attacks one joint per episode and this is usually your big toe. Again, Gout can develop quickly and typically starts at night. It is thought to be caused by a collection of Uric Acid, which luckily is absorbed by Wood Vinegar.4
Prostatitis
This is a condition not commonly understood. Prostatitis simply refers to prostate swelling and infection which can be found under the male bladder. Infected prostates can cause many symptoms, such as a constant need to urinate and painful urination. It can also cause forms of groin or lower back pain.
Pain Relief
Since many of the disorders and infections listed above can cause great pain, Wood Vinegar has also been used to relieve pain.

Author:  dlf_perth [ Nov 30th, '15, 14:56 ]
Post subject:  Re: Wood Vinegar - Usage and any warnings

Quote:
One great thing about having Wood Vinegar in our Detox Foot Pads is that with Wood Vinegar, these foot pads can draw out all sorts of venom. This includes venom from snake bites. While snake bites are rare, Wood Vinegar, combined with other aids, can help.³

Gout
For those of you who don’t know, Gout is type of arthritis. It can cause sudden attacks of great pain and can bring about joint tenderness, redness, and swelling. Usually it attacks one joint per episode and this is usually your big toe. Again, Gout can develop quickly and typically starts at night. It is thought to be caused by a collection of Uric Acid, which luckily is absorbed by Wood Vinegar.4

...classic...

Author:  BuiDoi [ Nov 30th, '15, 15:08 ]
Post subject:  Re: Wood Vinegar - Usage and any warnings

..
http://www.byronbiochar.com.au/index.ph ... g-1-litre/

Actually, I think this is where I ordered it from

I must admit that I started to wonder about some of the claimed medical benefits and then I found another reference.. :dontknow:

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0308814606009186

and understanding very well, the benefits of Anti-Oxidants, I could start to think there may be something in it..
The uncertainty would be just WHAT byproducts might be supplied free, with some brands..

Do consider that one of the more "Investigated" anti-oxidant materials, is Pycnogenol, and that is a TEA made from Mediterranean Pine Tree Bark.. ( Used for Hundreds of years as a cure-all - and we use it today )
..
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Author:  Dangerous Dave [ Dec 1st, '15, 09:22 ]
Post subject:  Re: Wood Vinegar - Usage and any warnings

I have the PyroAg product. Apparently made not too far away from me up here in the Northern Rivers of NSW. It's the sort of thing that goes down well up here - with large parts of our community thinking that anything vaguely "alternative" is better than an evidence based product (vaccines aren't big around here unfortunately).

I'm cautiously optimistic that it'll be useful for some pests and haven't seen evidence of damage to plants as yet - in the range of about 1:300 - 1:500. And it makes my growbed smell like a BBQ (quite pleasant).

For now, I'll remain a bit dubious about the snake oil type claims that wood vinegar is good for anything vaguely to do with plants and also human health.

Author:  rendang [ Jan 2nd, '16, 16:00 ]
Post subject:  Re: Wood Vinegar - Usage and any warnings

I was interested in Wood Vinegar from the plant health angle, rather than pest control. Anyone able to report back on any improvement (or otherwise) on plant health, germination rate etc from using it ?

Author:  BuiDoi [ Jan 4th, '16, 13:59 ]
Post subject:  Re: Wood Vinegar - Usage and any warnings

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nothing from me yet.. but, still trying to evaluate the benefits..
I did try soaking seeds over night , in WV, but did not have a control, to compare to..
It all becomes too complex.. studies within studies..
I am content to just read the claims on the WV site and works to that..
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Author:  BuiDoi [ Jan 12th, '16, 16:22 ]
Post subject:  Wood Vinegar - research suggests strong benefits for FISH

I wrote to the Wood Vinegar people, asking if they knew of any experience with WV, and in Aquaculture / AP..

I did so, because I wondered what effect there might be, from over generous spraying on plants..

Quote:
Abstract
The effects of dietary charcoal and wood vinegar mixture (CV82) were determined on growth, body composition, and vitality of olive flounder Paralichrhys alivaceus. Five experimental diets were formulated to contain 0% (control), 0.5%, 1.0%, 1.5%, and 2.0% CV82. Weight gain was lowest in the control diet group (47.7 g) and highest in the 1.0% CV82 group (53.0 g). Feed efficiency was lowest in the control diet group (87.3%) but significantly higher in the 0.5% CV82 diet group (95.8%), (P > 0.05). The condition factor and hepatosomatic index were not affected by the dietary level of CV82. Moisture and crude protein content did not significantly differ among the treatments. However, crude lipid was lower in the 1.0% and 1.5% CV82 diet groups of 3.4% and 3.5%, respectively. Serum glutamic oxaloacetic acid and glutamic pyruvic transaminase activities decreased significantly with increasing dietary CV82 level. Therefore, these results suggested that the suitable dietary CV82 level could be between 0.5% and 1.0% in olive flounder for the maximum weight gain, feed efficiency, and vitality.


A reasonable assumption would be, that if there is positive results from including WV in feed, then, a small amount. IN the AP water could actually have a positive benefit and at worst, no ill effect.. :headbang:
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Author:  BuiDoi [ Jan 13th, '16, 04:27 ]
Post subject:  Re: Wood Vinegar - Usage and any warnings

..
And if you want to self-investigate.. search for..
"Effect of Dietary Charcoal and Wood Vinegar Mixture (CV82)"

There was another study on Nile Tilapia.

I understand that the studies are foreign language, and thus only the abstract, hints at the reports' outcomes ..

All just adding to knowledge on Pyroligenous Acid...
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Author:  nosliwmas [ Jan 13th, '16, 05:44 ]
Post subject:  Re: Wood Vinegar - Usage and any warnings

Hmmm... on this USGS Environmental Health - Toxic Substances webpage, they've got a little of the
chemical makeup of "Wood Vinegar" and some nice links for the researcher:

http://toxics.usgs.gov/definitions/pyroligneous_acid.html
USGS: Environmental Health - Toxic Substances wrote:
Pyroligneous Acid - "Pyroligneous acid is a by-product of the charcoal production. Pyrolysis products during charcoal production from dry beech wood are charcoal, gas, pyroligneous acid and tar and water. The main component of pyroligneous acid is water. The organic matter consists of acetic acid, formic acid, methanol, acetone, methyl acetate and about 10% of wood tar." - Boukis and others, 2004

Wood Vinegar - "Wood vinegar, technically known as pyroligneous acid, is a condensed liquid of the smoke generated by charcoal production (Yoshimoto, 1994; Kishimoto, 1997). Wood vinegar contains 80-90% water and 10-20% organic compounds including more than 200 chemical components with mainly acetic acid. It also contains various kinds of phenol, carbonyl and alcohol compounds. Wood vinegar is widely used in agricultural crop production toward plant growth stimulation, germination, soil disinfection and the control of weed, disease and pest (Kim et al., 2000; Kim et al., 2001; Lee and Huh, 2002; Mu et al., 2003; Yatagai and Unrinrin, 1989; Rico et al., 2007)." - Kim and others, 2008

Here is some interesting research from Japan:
Present Status of Wood Vinegar Studies in Japan for Agricultural Usage

Some interesting things Yoshimoto mentions that I haven't seen brought up before:
T. Yoshimoto wrote:
Growth of plants are usually accelerated when wood vinegar was drenched in field soil. The growth will be supposed to be induced by decreasing of nematode, mainly and partly by decrease of pathogenic fungus and scarcely by hormone influence on plants. There are growth inhibiting substances in wood vinegar but practically they will be usually absorbed on soil surface and chemically changed.

The studies referred to above showed the composition of the "Wood Vinegar" is greatly determined by type
of wood. Commercial samples examined varied greatly in Tar (0.2% - 9.2%) , Acetic acid (0.2% - 6.9%), and
Methanol (0.02% - 0.49%).

It sounds like a sexy new drug for amped up plant production.... with a dark side.

--
Sam

Author:  BuiDoi [ Jan 14th, '16, 05:16 ]
Post subject:  Re: Wood Vinegar - Usage and any warnings

nosliwmas wrote:
The studies referred to above showed the composition of the "Wood Vinegar" is greatly determined by type
of wood. Commercial samples examined varied greatly in Tar (0.2% - 9.2%) , Acetic acid (0.2% - 6.9%), and Methanol (0.02% - 0.49%).

It sounds like a sexy new drug for ramped up plant production.... with a dark side.


No arguments from me.. I am just repeating what is written..

BUT - whilst cautious about the warnings, there seems to be a strong "Support" for the product/technology, and I would place all this in the same basket as VITAMIN Supplements etc. etc.
ie.. there is massive anecdotal evidence of benefits, but generally, there are knockers, who find the negatives, and likely backed by others, jealous that their patented product was not as popular..


I strongly suspect that the quality of the product will be determined by the product producer..

eg. google "Wood Vinegar Production" and you will see reference to the nasties like the TAR, and how that needs to be given time to separate..
and then... in application, the product might be diluted to 1:500, and so that makes a smaller joke of the TAR (etc.) warnings..

Totally agreeing with you, but boy, the PLUS issues outweigh the UNKNOWN MINUS issues.. ie. they are only "Warnings" just like on an ASPRIN bottle.. :support:
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Author:  BuiDoi [ Jan 14th, '16, 10:20 ]
Post subject:  Re: Wood Vinegar - Usage and any warnings

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BTW.... just a lateral thought..
So Far - there has been Positive Studies from the use of WV across the world..
There have been positive and practical studies of it's inclusion in fish food..
It has been almost presented as an agricultural life-saver for the third world

and So Far - I have not read a single word, against the material, save a general "Caveat Warning" from groups that just might, have a vested interest, in controlling it's use.. or rather, encouraging commercial products

To me it is like the Drugs Administration in the US, that seem happy to approve big Pharma' products that have fake test results, and are then quick to either knock or attempt to control "Supplements" that the Pharma's can't control and hence hate.. :-(

Why, they stop CANCER cures that have higher success rates than conventional "Cures" (read postpone death)... and then ensure that suitable OHNS (WHS) precautions are taken, to prevent staff from being contacted by the seriously dangerous but approved materials.. ( Google Burzinski and cancer )

I would just like to see adventurous use of this alternative... some of us can easily and simply kill our wards, without intention.. and so anything that might help, really should be tried.. :-)
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Author:  nosliwmas [ Jan 14th, '16, 11:19 ]
Post subject:  Re: Wood Vinegar - Usage and any warnings

It's probably a moot point as far as I'm concerned. Living in a non-touristy area of out-back
Costa Rica on the edge of the jungle has its benefits, but being able to run to big box hardware
stores or a gardening center whenever one needs something is not one of them! ;-) I'd be
surprised if I can find Wood Vinegar (without making it myself) anywhere in the country.
Importing anything is rarely worth it due to horrible import duties.

However, some of the claims, in the midst of all the snake-oil like miracle cure talk, can surely
be tested fairly easily with side-by-side aquaponics systems. Enhanced roots, darker leaves,
and higher sugar content are something that can be scientifically measured. I read of folks
trying to use wood vinegar to cure meats during the US Civil War (1860's) salt shortages, so it
has been around for a long, long time. Where are the hard numbers showing side-by-side
comparisons of with, and without, wood vinegar? Hmmm... even if it doesn't live up to all of
the claims, you'd expect there would be solid research showing it one way or the other.

Wood vinegar sounds a bit like the Liquid Smoke flavor enhancement. I'd bet they both have
a lot in common.

I wanna believe! I wanna believe! :think:

--
Sam

Author:  BuiDoi [ Jan 19th, '16, 04:53 ]
Post subject:  Another reference to the Wood Vinegar product

[url]http://www.ajofai.info/Abstract/Wood%20vinegar%20a%20by-
product%20from%20rural%20charcoal%20kilns%20and%20its%20role%20in%20plant%20protection.pdf[/url]

I had wondered what the meaning of CV82 was in other quotes.. it seems this is a reference to mixture ratios...

This research details a fair summary of other papers.. :headbang:
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