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Author:  KudaPucat [ Oct 17th, '09, 23:05 ]
Post subject:  Re: Quail

My quail LOVE those little black millipedes. Never seen them eat any other bugs, but I'm sure the would.

Author:  Annora [ Oct 17th, '09, 23:22 ]
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he he... growing up your own black soldier fly or meal worms could be fun... I found this web page that talks about it a bit.
http://www.cyberquail.com/homepage.html#FEED

I wonder if your quail are just young? I know with chickens you normally buy them when they are point of lay & maybe it might take them some time to really get going?

Author:  Annora [ Oct 17th, '09, 23:32 ]
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Check this out

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IJsuJwaUxNk - he's raising his quail indoors in a multi level thing...

Author:  KudaPucat [ Oct 17th, '09, 23:57 ]
Post subject:  Re: Quail

Cool thanks. I'll look at that on the pc in the morning.
As for age: yeah they are young. But week 1 I got 2 eggs, week 2 I got only one, and weeks 3,4 and now 5 have been barren :-(
it makes me think that despite their age, I'm doing something wrong.
However we've not had the nicest weather since I got them home, and they are outdoors and may have been used to a shed. I'm told they can be sensitive to weather.

Author:  BatonRouge Bill [ Oct 18th, '09, 01:54 ]
Post subject:  Re: Quail

Cool cleaning video:
http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=xic ... 06z0H_GWxo
Might try this in a little while.

Author:  KudaPucat [ Oct 18th, '09, 07:12 ]
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nice vids and an interesting page on button care. Thanks guys I appreciate the efforts. I hadn't known that button quail were Aussie natives, and that that is what I had. Due to the US literature, I had assumed they were a US bird, and unlikely to be the same breed as what I had, so hadn't read up on it. 18 months is the usual lifetime? wow, that's short. Mine had better get laying soon! ;-) Based on the short lifespan, I am assuming it is wise to eat your breeders annually and replace them?
de-breasting a quail looks surprisingly easy, but, like most of those movies, I wish they'd filmed just 20 seconds more with closeups of the damage.
The indoor cage is very similar to what I want to do, and I think I may need to find somewhere with protection from the elements for my quail...

Author:  CorporalChaos [ Oct 18th, '09, 10:39 ]
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Quail are very easy to clean. You don't need to leave the skin on like with chickens or ducks. First, pull the head off. Then, insert your thumb under the skin by the neck/crop area and begin to pull the skin away. Once you're finished with the skin, snip the wings and legs off at the joints. Then insert your thumb where the breast meets the pelvis and peel the bird open. Remove the innards, (save the heart and gizzard* for a delicious snack) making sure to get the lungs and kidneys. I use my thumbs to "push" the kidneys out. Make a small cut along each side of the tail bone, then slice or pull off the tail/anus. Now you're finished with the cleaning. The quail I eat are wild, so I soak them in salt water solution for a couple days to remove some of the "game flavor". Cleaning the birds this way produces a neat little package for cooking on the grill, and isn't wasteful of meat. I don't find the bones to be a problem either.

Hope that helps. :D

*Gizzards need to be cut open to remove the little food sacks inside (sorry, but I don't know the technical term).

Author:  KudaPucat [ Oct 21st, '09, 10:45 ]
Post subject:  Re: Quail

I had 1 male and 3 females in my cage.
as of this morning I have 1 male and 1 female, I think.

Two birds had been attacked. One was missing both eyes and the other only one. Both had heads bloodied, and weren't even too fazed when I picked them up, which they hated.

This morning I also got to test the debreasting of quail as shown in the youtube video above.
I must say it's quite easy.

What they don't show though is how to kill the bird first.
One thing I noticed for certain, is that it's not the same as wringing a rabbit's neck. Without going into too much detail: it worked, but the result was unexpected, quite spectacular and involved me needing to change my shirt.

Could anybody give any detailed tips on slaughtering a quail?

Author:  BatonRouge Bill [ Oct 21st, '09, 11:05 ]
Post subject:  Re: Quail

KudaPucat wrote:
I had 1 male and 3 females in my cage.
as of this morning I have 1 male and 1 female, I think.

Two birds had been attacked. One was missing both eyes and the other only one. Both had heads bloodied, and weren't even too fazed when I picked them up, which they hated.

This morning I also got to test the debreasting of quail as shown in the youtube video above.
I must say it's quite easy.

What they don't show though is how to kill the bird first.
One thing I noticed for certain, is that it's not the same as wringing a rabbit's neck. Without going into too much detail: it worked, but the result was unexpected, quite spectacular and involved me needing to change my shirt.

Could anybody give any detailed tips on slaughtering a quail?

Author:  KudaPucat [ Oct 21st, '09, 11:10 ]
Post subject:  Re: Quail

Cheers BRB, that helped a bunch :lol:

Author:  BatonRouge Bill [ Oct 21st, '09, 11:14 ]
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edit times out too quickly for my fingers!
I just lop their heads off with a pair of kitchen shears and let the blood drain. I've seen these trays which look like a bunch of upside down tops of soda bottles that after you do the deed you just insert the bird upside down to drain. I also scalded the last batch to aid plucking and just gutted as you would do a chicken.

Author:  KudaPucat [ Oct 21st, '09, 11:21 ]
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Ahh that makes me feel better about what happened BRB.
I just took the breasts, I was in a hurry to get to work, and the dog was hungry besides...
it was a fair efford to separate breastplate from breast.
how are they whole? finicky to eat?

Why would 2 birds have been picked on so harshly?

Author:  BatonRouge Bill [ Oct 22nd, '09, 08:32 ]
Post subject:  Re: Quail

I'm starting to find that when the group of birds is less than 10 they start feather picking to the point of death. I first though it may have been diet related but the last group of hatchlings I kept in the larger group cage instead of trying to group 3 females to one male and no feather picking took place. I'm guessing that the "victim bird can jump and blend in to a group easier keeping it from being singled out. I also find the white quail are less aggressive (and slightly smaller not larger as advertized) than the brown cortunix quail.

Author:  KudaPucat [ Oct 22nd, '09, 09:02 ]
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Thanks BRB... you'd think the guy who sold me 4 suggesting that 1 male and 3 females would be ok, might have told me this :-(

Author:  BatonRouge Bill [ Oct 22nd, '09, 09:22 ]
Post subject:  Re: Quail

I don't have any supporting info other than my own experience. I bought into the mini group cages thing and I don't know what I'm going to do with them. No deaths in the big cages and within a few days of moving them into small group cages feather picking starts. Some have naked necks others their whole backsides pecked clean. Last time I had a very large cage and flock and no or very little problems. The fancy small cages with auto watering and end up with 40% mortality within 3 weeks which is why I didn't bother waiting for eggs anylonger. cut losses (and heads). No losses in the last hatching so I'm not putting them in the little cages. I think I lost 1 brown and no whites after 4 weeks old.

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