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http://rawforbeauty.com/blog/eating-tilapia-is-worse-than-eating-bacon.html

What a JOKE!
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Yeah... bacon tastes like shit... :lol:


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Personally I think there are many things worse than eating bacon... :D But maybe we have better bacon?

Mind you, that article says nothing about Tilapia (or any other fish/produce) from AP systems.


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They have no idea..

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I think this research is fantastic and I know I'll be leaving Tilapia and catfish off my plate.

Mind you, they've never been on my plate anyway.


If you track down the actual research paper, It's pretty standard research.

And makes for some good reading.



http://www.loe.org/images/content/08071 ... 0Paper.pdf

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This analysis revealed that trout and Atlantic salmon contained relatively high concentrations
of n-3 PUFA, low n-6:n-3 ratios, and favorable saturated fatty acid plus monounsaturated fatty
acid to PUFA ratios. In contrast, tilapia (the fastest growing and most widely farmed fish) and
catfish have much lower concentrations of n-3 PUFA, very high ratios of long chain n-6 to long
chain n-3 PUFAs, and high saturated fatty acid plus monounsaturated fatty acid to PUFA ratios.
Taken to-gether, these data reveal that marked changes in the fishing industry during the past
decade have produced widely eaten fish that have fatty acid characteristics that are generally
accepted to be inflammatory by the health care community


Basically the research is saying that the ratio of omega 3 to omega 6 is good in

farmed trout and salmon but not so good in farmed Tilapia and catfish.

It seems to me that this is the type of research we should be promoting so that we can

fine tune our AP systems.

Wouldn't it be good if someone did similar tests on the vegetables grown in AP.

It would also be good to see other researchers duplicate these results.

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The thing that the article fails to mention let alone discuss in not so much the production method used to produce fish but the farmer doing the producing.

I'd happyily eat farmed salmon from Tasmania or Norway but I won't be touching tilapia or basa from China or Vietnam.

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The thing that the article fails to mention let alone discuss in not so much the production method used to produce fish but the farmer doing the producing.

I'd happyily eat farmed salmon from Tasmania or Norway but I won't be touching tilapia or basa from China or Vietnam.


Hell no, i saw that video too..

I think the research in this story on tilapia and salmon is BS - They say they give the fish antibiotics and chicken poop etc - not our farming practices.

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Nothing wrong with chicken poo as a feed additive in the right context. Antibiotics are another matter though.

Old style poly culture systems are fine but old style poly culture in industrially polluted river systems are another matter again.

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trout wrote:
I think this research is fantastic and I know I'll be leaving Tilapia and catfish off my plate...
...It seems to me that this is the type of research we should be promoting so that we can fine tune our AP systems.

Wouldn't it be good if someone did similar tests on the vegetables grown in AP.

It would also be good to see other researchers duplicate these results.

I didn't take the time to read the original article so thanks for the link. I guess from my PoV it would depend whether the high Omega-6 fish are due to breeding or diet.

I have catfish (tandanus tandanus) and plan to eat them when they grow out. I haven't heard of any specific breeding programs for them so I am presuming as of now that the results they speak of in your quote are due to diet - breeding for speed of growth and pleasing appearance.

I'm going to go read the article and see if I can work out whether the negatives mentioned are inherent or not. Mind you, even if they are, I'd rather eat Omega-6 than trans-fats and the number of cafes still serving margarine is astonishing given what it is.

Then again I am happy to eat prime beef over the pre-prepared pap they try to serve us where the numbers in the ingredients list make a list larger than the original animal. :D


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Have to agree with you on the margarine thing. Horrid crap it is, and the taste should put people off for a start but doesnt seem too, because they have been brainwashed on the low fat, poly this and mono that crap. Might keep your cholesterol down while you die of cancer

But with all the crap around us its a raffle on which cancer you get. Very true of this area

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Oh yeah , and I am saving some of you aggravating your livers and or punching your laptop screens by not posting the pics of the latest yabby adventure HEHE :wave:

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Yeah but it seems to be a repitive joke ?

viewtopic.php?p=361623#p361623

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I think the research in this story on tilapia and salmon is BS - They say they give the fish antibiotics and chicken poop etc - not our farming practices.


I always find articles like these are 20% truth and 80% spin, that is why you go back to the
original document.

In this case the original document never mentions fish antibiotics or chicken poop (the spin)

They instead bought the fish from supermarkets and fish mongers like any other citizen and then
tested it.

So the results they got are from fish that the citizens of America were eating at the time.



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Samples of a wide variety of fish were obtained in 2005
through seafood distributors on both the east and west
coast (Poseidon Seafood, Atlanta, GA; Red Chamber Co,
Vernon, CA; and Trident Seafoods Corp, Seattle, WA).
Samples from these distributors are representative of fish
that would be served in restaurants and available in
supermarkets. In addition, farmed salmon were obtained
directly from two Chilean companies, AquaChile and Ca-
manchaca. This is particularly relevant because 60% of
the farmed salmon obtained on the east coast is Chilean
in origin (personal communication with Alex Trent, exec-
utive director, The Salmon of the Americas). Additional
samples of farmed tilapia, catfish, trout, and salmon were
obtained from farms in Wisconsin, Idaho, North Carolina,
Ecuador, Honduras, Norway, New Zealand, western Can-
ada, and Chile
and from supermarkets (Harris Teeter,
Fresh Market, Lowes, Publix, Wegman’s, and Winn
Dixie) in Alabama, Florida, North Carolina, and Pennsyl-
vania. Samples of canned fish were purchased from su-
permarkets locally (Winston-Salem, NC).


July 2008
Journal of the AMERICAN DIETETIC ASSOCIATION
pg 1179


As you can see, the samples obtained have a very good spread.

So the research has a good sample spread (not just from questionable countries)
mentions nothing about fish antibiotics or chicken poop, yet still finds Tilapia and catfish
undesirable to eat.

That is the beginnings of some good research.


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I didn't take the time to read the original article so thanks for the link. I guess from my PoV it would depend whether the high Omega-6 fish are due to breeding or diet.



My thoughts exactly, although I was leaning more towards diet.

Fish in the wild, eat a greatly varied diet and don't grow nearly as quickly as AP fish.

My trout only eat Grobest or grobest

Not a great variety.

Grobest food is mainly fishmeal and soymeal.

When I first started I was concerned about the soy being a GM crop. So I rang Grobest and was

told the soy is not GM and both the soy and fishmeal is sourced from Malaysia.

So I wonder what the quality of the fish they use to make fishmeal is?

Just a thought.

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I try to remember something I heard on a radio talk show.

The host said, "Have you ever noticed that scientists are always right? They never admit that they were wrong about anything. They simply say things like, we used believe this, but now we know this is true."

Scientists have made major errors throughout the course of human history. (Leading scientists once believed the Earth was flat.) I love science and definitely do not discount research performed by very talented and educated people but they are still people and subject to the same faults as everyone else.

When I was growing up, eggs were the worst thing you could eat, with maybe the possible exception of bacon. Years later, the so-called experts said that eggs were not as bad as they once believed. They weren't wrong, they just know this now. Eggs, (chicken eggs), are now considered to be nature's "perfect protein" by many scientists and nutritionists. But that doesn't mean we should eat a dozen eggs every day.

There are countless studies that have proven to be lacking in fact throughout history. The biggest problem with science today is that it has become political. Actually, it has always been political. In the past if a scientist published a belief contrary to the popularly accepted belief, (The Earth is flat.), he was likely to be put to death. Today he or she would simply be de-funded and ostracized. That is really sad.

Science, like justice, should be blind but that's just not how the world works. It would not surprise me, (I have not looked into this), if the research behind the subject article of this post was funded by Salmon farmers or some other group with interest in discounting the consumption of Tilapia. Again, pure speculation, but just to make a point.

I am familiar with the research on Tilalpia, particularly farm raised. It almost caused me to decided against raising Tilapia in my AP system which did not leave me with any real edible fish options. But then I remembered another popular belief by so-called "leading scientists". I don't want to get into a discussion about "man made global warming" because it really doesn't matter what or who you believe. The point I would like to make though is that there are differences in opinions within the scientific community but the scientists that are called "leading" are all on the same side of the issue. Who are considered "leading" is a product of political agendas. Again, sad.

If we started a list of natural things we should not eat or drink based on past and current scientific research, how long do you think that list would be?

1. Red Meat
2. Bacon
3. Eggs
4. Shell Fish
5. Alcohol
6. Anything with wheat in it. (Gluten)
7. Sugar


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