Osama bin laden

Food&Fish

I was just reading a report he wasn't armed when shot neither was the 911 victims

gnash06

freoboy wrote:

interesting that he has been buried so quickly, :dontknow:

Some muslims believe that the body should be buried before the rising of the next sun, usually its in the fetal position with the head facing Mecca or due East (apparently)

TheNative

At first I found the celebrating a little disturbing too but then I thought about it a bit more. What if it were my wife killed in 911? I would be rejoicing at the top of my lungs. Hell I'd probably parade the body through the streets if I had the opportunity. So looking at it that way, maybe the celebration is justified.

earthbound

I struggle to comprehend some of the opinions on here, and most of the opinions and actions I've heard on the news over the last day or so..

Would there be ANY situation where it would be alright for ANY other country to fly their military into the US, unannounced and to assassinate someone? I don't think so. And neither is it alright for the US military to fly into any other country and assassinate someone.

What I've seen in the media over the past 24 hours or so has no justification, I see the same sort of actions from the western side as what they accuse terrorists of. It's just plain wrong.

freoboy

i heard a saying form someone one day that sums ot up pretty well

nothing is achieved through extremism . It only promotes more extremism, and hinders forward progress.

I find the compaibility between the rejoice of terrorists over an american death and the rejoice of americans over OBLs death scary. I would also garuntee that, given the chance, OBLs body would have been paraded thru the streets for people to spit on.

an eye for and eye leaves the whole world blind - Ghandi

earthbound

Yeah, is any one extremist better or worse than any another?

gnash06

Maybe it just comes down to what you feel Justice really is....and do the ends justify the means :dontknow:

Its all to complicated for me, I work on the theory that the biggest tribe wins and then writes the history :think:

earthbound

gnash06 wrote:

Its all to complicated for me, I work on the theory that the biggest tribe wins and then writes the history :think:

That's exactly how it works.. And for some reason everyone just figures that the biggest tribe must be right, coz they are the big tribe... :dontknow:

gnash06

Well thats just the way its been since the existance of man/animals...strongest wins/natural selection :thumbleft:

to Darwin
This sort of thing (fighting/war/death) will always keep happening until we all become one tribe and there is about as much chance of that happening as me taking out powerball tomorrow :roll:

freoboy

one powerball . . . . . .

Mr Damage

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Would there be ANY situation where it would be alright for ANY other country to fly their military into the US, unannounced and to assassinate someone? I don't think so. And neither is it alright for the US military to fly into any other country and assassinate someone.

It‘s not as though the US invaded Pakistan to get Osama. They are already in Pakistan with the permission of the Pakistan government, in a joint operation with the sole purpose of finding OBL and eliminating terrorist training camps etc.

And it’s not as though the Pakistani’s didn’t assist, they supplied the initial intelligence as to OBL’s possible whereabouts.

If they had alerted the Pakistan government to the operation that captured and killed OBL, chances are he would’ve been alerted by corrupt government and army officials and would’ve been long gone when the US special forces guys showed up. It’s reported that the area where his house/compound was built, in the terrorist friendly North of the country, is a popular country retreat and retirement area for high ranking army and ex-army officials, especially those with terrorist links… you can’t tell me they didn’t know he was living there!

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Pakistani President Asif Ali Zardari said his government played no role in the capture of al Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden, but that the country did its part. "Although the events of Sunday were not a joint operation, a decade of cooperation and partnership between the United States and Pakistan led to the elimination of Osama bin Laden as a continuing threat to the civilized world," Zardari wrote in a Washington Post op-ed. "And we in Pakistan take some satisfaction that our early assistance in identifying an al Qaeda courier ultimately led to this day."

TheNative

earthbound wrote:

I struggle to comprehend some of the opinions on here, and most of the opinions and actions I've heard on the news over the last day or so..

Would there be ANY situation where it would be alright for ANY other country to fly their military into the US, unannounced and to assassinate someone? I don't think so. And neither is it alright for the US military to fly into any other country and assassinate someone.

What I've seen in the media over the past 24 hours or so has no justification, I see the same sort of actions from the western side as what they accuse terrorists of. It's just plain wrong.

For one thing, they invaded our country first. When we declared war on terrorism, I remember President Bush saying we would invade any country that harbors terrorism. Besides, we have been running operations and bombing in Pakistan for quite some time. The Pakistani government denies that they allowed us in but I doubt that is the case. They just want to be reelected.

I know much of the world is against capital punishment, but I think murder is the one crime in which capital punishment is justified. I do feel sad that we had to kill him but it was a necessary evil to protect ourselves.

Sorry dude but if he was hiding in Australia I would have flown over there myself if necessary to take him out. You would feel the same way if your family was murdered.

RupertofOZ

Mr Damage wrote:

It‘s not as though the US invaded Pakistan to get Osama. They are already in Pakistan with the permission of the Pakistan government, in a joint operation with the sole purpose of finding OBL and eliminating terrorist training camps etc.

While they may well have CIA operatives based in Pakistan... this was not a "joint operation"... and was not based in Pakistan...

The Seals unit was choppered in, and returned to Afghanistan... and only notified the Pakistani government about the operation as they crossed the border back into Afghanistan...

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And it’s not as though the Pakistani’s didn’t assist, they supplied the initial intelligence as to OBL’s possible whereabouts.

Apparantly some truth to that...

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If they had alerted the Pakistan government to the operation that captured and killed OBL, chances are he would’ve been alerted by corrupt government and army officials and would’ve been long gone when the US special forces guys showed up.

Again, very true... there has been a long history of involvement between sections of the Pakistani military and intelligence organisations and both the Taliban and Al-Queda...

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It’s reported that the area where his house/compound was built, in the terrorist friendly North of the country, is a popular country retreat and retirement area for high ranking army and ex-army officials, especially those with terrorist links… you can’t tell me they didn’t know he was living there!

The compound raided is actually next to a military barracks.... and reports suggest that miltary personel regularly checked ID papers of anyone within the area surrounding the compound...

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Pakistani President Asif Ali Zardari said his government played no role in the capture of al Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden, but that the country did its part. "Although the events of Sunday were not a joint operation, a decade of cooperation and partnership between the United States and Pakistan led to the elimination of Osama bin Laden as a continuing threat to the civilized world," Zardari wrote in a Washington Post op-ed. "And we in Pakistan take some satisfaction that our early assistance in identifying an al Qaeda courier ultimately led to this day."

Quite plainly refutes the suggestion that it was a "joint" operation....

And many questions are being asked as to Pakistans knowledge of Bin Laden's presence....

Frankly... IMO... there was always more justification to conduct military operations within Pakistan, Yemen and Saudi Arabia... than there ever was for Iraq or Afghanistan...

earthbound

Now didn't your mum ever tell you that she doesn't care who did what first, or who started it, just stop it!

This blame thing just goes nowhere and to try and justify one action because of a previous action does no one any good. Me saying "this action was not right", is in no way inferring anyone elses actions were right.

Invading a country and assassinating someone in that way, is not right. Flying planes into big sky scrapers is also not right. Invading Iraq in search of fictitious weapons was not right either, blowing up a night club in Bali was not right.. There's plenty of actions on both side of the fence that are not right. One is a fringe radical terrorist organization, the other is meant to be a world super power.

Once again, in the works of my mother - Your older than him you should know better.

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I know much of the world is against capital punishment, but I think murder is the one crime in which capital punishment is justified.

And this is exactly the sort of claims that the militant organizations make against the US, this is their justification for their actions. Someone has to stop the killing.....

Mr Damage

Just want to clarify Rupe...

I wasn't suggesting the raid that netted OBL was a joint US/Pakistan operation, rather that the US didn't "invade" Pakistan to capture him, as many people are claiming, they've had a presence in Pakistan for a decade, supposedly in full cooperation with the Pakistan governmnet, to find OBL and terrorist facilities... so it wouldn't have come as any surprise to Pakistani officials, especially as they tipped of the US as to his whereabouts.

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